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Old Dood · Mar 27, 2006, 12:35 PM // 12:35

I was wondering if any of you all have seen a Bar Chart showing the newer video cards and how they stack up to the older ones....

I am talking about the X1900's, 7900's, 7600's, and how they measure up to vid cards as old as 9800Pro's or 5900's and up to the X1800's, and 7800's.

Just curious...trying to stay informed...

mathewthegreat · Mar 27, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

Cant seem to find any benchmarks showing such old cards (fx series) with the newer ones, but i found this, which shows alot of the cards you mentioned:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/...ia/page12.html

The newer cards do have alot more pipelines though!

Old Dood · Mar 27, 2006, 01:19 PM // 13:19

Thanks....I found similar benchmarks too. I was mostly interested in the 7600GT OC 256Mb PCIe card. It was going for $249.00 at CompUSA this weekend. Seemed a decent card. My Friend bought one. I am "kinda" looking for an upgrade to my X800XL PCIe 256Mb card.

So I was curious to see how my card faired with these newer ones.

Serafita Kayin · Mar 27, 2006, 01:24 PM // 13:24

7600 and x800XL are gonna be tight. If you want a real upgrade, got for an x1800 GTO or something similar. If you sit tight, the x1900GTO will be out for about the same price...

Ghozer · Mar 27, 2006, 01:35 PM // 13:35

My Friends just bought an x1900XTX - 48pipes o_0 -- he can run "TES Oblivian", al Ultra high, and still pull 50+ FPS in 1280x1024 o_0

Old Dood · Mar 27, 2006, 01:50 PM // 13:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serafita Kayin

7600 and x800XL are gonna be tight. If you want a real upgrade, got for an x1800 GTO or something similar. If you sit tight, the x1900GTO will be out for about the same price...

Ok..thanks. I am probably gonna wait for awhile. My friend got the 7600GT OC PCIe 256Mb and upgraded from a Dell X600 OEM (No Fan..I gave it to him). So he is real happy with this card so far.

I am not sold on the GTO line at all. I still think my X800XL is better then the X800GTO. Isn't the X1800GTO only 12 pipes?

Luchaire · Mar 27, 2006, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghozer

... x1900XTX - 48pipes ...

My 7800GS just curled up into a ball and started sobbing...

Serafita Kayin · Mar 27, 2006, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Can't just go by pipes, look at architecture.

And, a lot of GTOs are unlockable. Remember that.

mathewthegreat · Mar 27, 2006, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghozer

My Friends just bought an x1900XTX - 48pipes o_0 -- he can run "TES Oblivian", al Ultra high, and still pull 50+ FPS in 1280x1024 o_0

jesus christ!

mathewthegreat · Mar 27, 2006, 05:02 PM // 17:02

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOO
http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/r580/index.php?p=16

i think i want to cry *sob*

WHAT AN ANIMAL!

"it comes in pints?" "im getting one!"

Ghozer · Mar 27, 2006, 09:49 PM // 21:49

This is the card my Friend has just bought....

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...uct_uid=101908

-- For thoes who dont want to click the link....
Specs:

* 650MHz ATI Radeon R580 Core (X1900)
* 1550MHz GDDR3 Extreme performance memory
* 384 million transistors on 90nm fabrication process
* 48 pixel shader processors <---- Can you say "OH EM EFF GEE"?? o_0
* 8 vertex shader processors
* 256-bit 8-channel GDDR3/GDDR4 memory interface
* Dynamic Voltage and Clock Speed Control
* 512-bit internal ring bus for memory reads
* Programmable intelligent arbitration logic
* Fully associative texture, color, and Z/stencil cache designs
* Hierarchical Z-buffer with Early Z test
* Lossless Z Compression (up to 48:1)
* Fast Z-Buffer Clear
* Z/stencil cache optimized for real-time shadow rendering
* Optimized for performance at high display resolutions, including widescreen HDTV resolutions
* Crossfire compatible - Master Edition ATI X1900 card required!

Old Dood · Mar 27, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

Well that is over $600.00 here in the States. Just way too expensive. Give it a few months and that card will drop to $400.00 then $300.00. Of course there will be something else that is even bigger and better...but so what....always buy a card a few Levels of Techs below the best.

twangansta · Mar 28, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

7600GT is a pretty good card for it's cost, $200 and the same performance as the $350 ATI x1800 series cards.

Blade Rez · Mar 28, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

7800gs is decent. I have a 7800gt when they still made them

, of course XFX pulls its crap with a 4pin molex instead of a 6 pin PCI-E connector, and now my card is "underpowered." My advice is just pull for some more money and pick up an OEM Sapphire x1800xt. scores around the 7-8k in 3dmark05 at 260$ish mark.

OneArmedScissor · Mar 28, 2006, 07:56 AM // 07:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Dood

Thanks....I found similar benchmarks too. I was mostly interested in the 7600GT OC 256Mb PCIe card. It was going for $249.00 at CompUSA this weekend. Seemed a decent card. My Friend bought one. I am "kinda" looking for an upgrade to my X800XL PCIe 256Mb card.

So I was curious to see how my card faired with these newer ones.

Just get a eVGa 6800GS from www.newegg.com
The performance difference between the 7600 and 6800GS isn't worth an extra $100. Plus, you can always overclock the card using RivaTuner.

Xenrath · Mar 28, 2006, 09:03 AM // 09:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Dood

Well that is over $600.00 here in the States. Just way too expensive. Give it a few months and that card will drop to $400.00 then $300.00. Of course there will be something else that is even bigger and better...but so what....always buy a card a few Levels of Techs below the best.

Your own advice is pretty much the best here when it comes to buying

Being an early adopter is probably the worst thing to do unless you have money to burn, and in 6-12 months the prices will have plumetted, given ATI/nVidia's insane release-new-uber-power-card-every-few-months policy...

Also the pace of game development simply does not match the hardware development; most games still use DirectX 8, they're just now starting to take up DX9, and in a few months from now they will not be any better really..

kvndoom · Mar 28, 2006, 10:44 AM // 10:44

When all else fails, there's the Tech Report:

http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q1...0/index.x?pg=1

Good comparisons with the 7600GT and 6800GS and X1800XL and X1800GTO. Oh, all these model numbers are giving me a headache.

OneArmedScissor · Mar 28, 2006, 11:06 AM // 11:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenrath

Your own advice is pretty much the best here when it comes to buying

Being an early adopter is probably the worst thing to do unless you have money to burn, and in 6-12 months the prices will have plumetted, given ATI/nVidia's insane release-new-uber-power-card-every-few-months policy...

Also the pace of game development simply does not match the hardware development; most games still use DirectX 8, they're just now starting to take up DX9, and in a few months from now they will not be any better really..

The pace of game development does not match the hardware development???
Sorry, but this is simply wrong. Take a look at the new Oblivion game. It's man handling 7800s, etc.

Xenrath · Mar 28, 2006, 11:36 AM // 11:36

I was speaking generally

Besides which, just because something struggles with top hardware doesn't necessarily mean it's a great game.. it might just have a poorly coded graphics engine...

OneArmedScissor · Mar 28, 2006, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Well... we are talking about the progression and advancements in video games and video cards.
That being said, I can't think of a game that has recently came out that does not use/support DX9.
I think the quality of the game play should not be considered in this as it is irrelavant and subjective.
Regardless, the GPU industry (ATI and Nvidia) and the video game industry are reliant on each other. Symbiotic bond maybe???